(Quote) Patrick-624504 said:
Quote: Emmanuel-940296 said:
I've been finding this discussion to be fascinating, but am starting to be become confused by it as well. For a while I was getting the impression that as long as there was equal consent between a husband and wife on having sex, with the intent of having children during a point or some points during the marriage there wasn't anything wrong there. My sister had 3 children back to back, with her 3rd child likely being the last one she'll have in her life time.
According to some of the information being discussed in various posts, unless I'm misreading it, it would sound like she'd be a sinner if she indefinitely continued to use the NFP method throughout the rest of her marriage and never had another child, even if she was open to the possibility should the NFP method still ended with a child in that rare circumstance. My own parents had 3 children, from a financial stand point perhaps around the time they had me, maybe they could have afforded another child, but I find it to be a rather grey area, as I feel my father follows church teaching extremely well, and is a very holy man, does that mean for all the years following any sexual relations he had in his marriage would be considered sinful since there was an indefinite spacing?
I find it difficult to pin sinfulness on a couple using NFP who are in a loving marriage, and having sex consentually, along with the intent of having children, especially if they've had a couple children already and understand the fact that NFP isn't 100% effective.
No your sister is not a sinner. The Church teaches that the point of sex is children, thus limited to stable relationships that is marriage/family. The child is the living proof of the love of the parents for each other, in Human flesh, which is why the Church discourages premartial or unmarried sex in case a child results.
That said, that is procreation, unlike animals who act purely on instinct Man has a Brain, thought, feelings and emotions, we are not animals and so sex is the gift God gives as the ultimate form of love between couples. Therefore non procreational sex is the admission of a couple of their love for each other. The flip side is of course that a child may result if you are using natural protection, as supplied by God.
Rest easy, your sister is not sinning. Women produce 1 egg per month from age 13 to age 45 therefore, after menopause, if you follow the Right wing view expressed here all married couples older than 45 who have sex are sinners, in fact according to the initiator of the thread a Mortal Sinners because their sex is nonproductive, just intimate and enjoyable. This is total bollocks.
Your asumption in the last paragraph is correct, there is no sin being commited as the Church has blessed the union and a marriage is not legal unless consumated (not conception). This stands true in Civil as in Cannon Law.