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Apr 24th 2013 new

(Quote) ED-20630 said: I'm not sure if the police are into rehanging draperies. That may be left up to the propert...
(Quote) ED-20630 said:

I'm not sure if the police are into rehanging draperies. That may be left up to the property owner... Like if someone gets shot by the police on your property, I think that it is the responsibility of the property owner to clean up the mess once the body is removed.


I did read that someone (a neighbor, I think) had started and online crowd-fund to help repair/replace the boat that was all shot-up and somewhat destroyed by the police and terrorist.


Ed

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The rehanging draperies comment was meant to be tongue-in-cheek, Ed. It's doubtful they'll have a bulky SWAT team officer gingerly rehanging curtains and draperies, or tidying up.

Apr 24th 2013 new

(Quote) William-607613 said: And if they didn't force people out of their houses and the kid started sho...
(Quote) William-607613 said:





And if they didn't force people out of their houses and the kid started shooting before they moved in to grab him, there would have been no end to the number of lawyers parachuting into that town to sue for the failure of the authorities to protect the citizenry from an armed and dangerous suspect.

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Good Comment, William

Apr 24th 2013 new

(Quote) Ray-566531 said: Some initial random thoughts ---- A key word re: the 4th Amendment is "unreasonable&quo...
(Quote) Ray-566531 said:

Some initial random thoughts ----

A key word re: the 4th Amendment is "unreasonable". It can easily be argued that law enforcement actions were reasonable, considering the circumstances.

Sometimes we all encounter situations that demand immediate action, and don't allow for time to "make nice". The results certainly indicate this was true in this situation. The terrorism suspect was nearby and immediate action was needed to capture him. Should the residents have been allowed to stay at home while police were setting up their command post? They could have easily been in harm's way. The suspect was known to have been heavily armed. By that time, who knows what weaponry he had?

The people were rushed out of their home. No doubt that "evicted" family members were frightened, but it is hard to believe they had no idea what was transpiring. It was on virtually every media since the onset in Boston. It's hard to believe they were so naive so as to have no idea of the nature of the police visit. Time was of the essence, and every moment counted. It was no time for a discussion about current events. In the end, the family was safe, and the suspect was captured without his harming any civilians in the neighborhood.

Consider high adrenalin levels, the critical moment, pressure and other factors, and people will understand why law enforcement acted as they did. The Monday morning quarterbacking will continue. Indeed, the law agencies themselves will review their handling of the crisis in an effort to spot errors on their part, and what they could have done better.

Police had to act; there was no time for a round-table discussion with white gloves, tea and crumpets about how to handle this in a genteel manner. They had a job to do and were focused upon it (capturing the suspect) without any physical harm coming to anyone else.

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To those who criticize everything, common sense does not matter.

The police arrived in the area in force. They were armed. But that had no significance in having the people leave their homes. The people WERE NOT FORCED OUT OF THEIR HOMES at gunpoint.

Any damage to private property will be paid for.

Apr 24th 2013 new

(Quote) William-607613 said: And if they didn't force people out of their houses and the kid started sho...
(Quote) William-607613 said:





And if they didn't force people out of their houses and the kid started shooting before they moved in to grab him, there would have been no end to the number of lawyers parachuting into that town to sue for the failure of the authorities to protect the citizenry from an armed and dangerous suspect.

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Not only the lawyers. But all the nay sayers would scream far louder then we see in this thread.

Apr 24th 2013 new

(Quote) Bernard-2709 said: Liberal lawyers,of course.On the other hand,unless a Policeman is in "hot pursuit",he n...
(Quote) Bernard-2709 said:

Liberal lawyers,of course.On the other hand,unless a Policeman is in "hot pursuit",he needs a warrant to enter a house.

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Now you are an expert in law? Get real !!!

Apr 24th 2013 new

(Quote) Bernard-2709 said: How does any of that apply to that innocent Family?
(Quote) Bernard-2709 said:

How does any of that apply to that innocent Family?

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Let's take an identical scenario, Bernard, and assume you are part of the law enforcement team that is closing in on this suspect, who you know is armed and dangerous.

How would you have handled it?

Apr 24th 2013 new

(Quote) Marianne-100218 said: Good Comment, William
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Good Comment, William

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Thank you, Marianne.


When the first responders pull someone out of a burning car, nobody is clamoring about whether or not they had a right to open the doors and pull the people out. Common sense says that the threat to the iindividuals in the burning car supersedes any concerns about the rights of the individuals against cops or firemen coming into their cars.

Here you have someone who is being hunted down for the indiscriminate taking of innocent life, someone who anyone with even a minimum level of intellect would recognize as a threat to any human life within reach, and yet (this being America, of course), the disgruntled are lining up with their complaints.

Apr 24th 2013 new

(Quote) William-607613 said: Thank you, Marianne.When the first responders pull someone out of a burning...
(Quote) William-607613 said:



Thank you, Marianne.


When the first responders pull someone out of a burning car, nobody is clamoring about whether or not they had a right to open the doors and pull the people out. Common sense says that the threat to the iindividuals in the burning car supersedes any concerns about the rights of the individuals against cops or firemen coming into their cars.

Here you have someone who is being hunted down for the indiscriminate taking of innocent life, someone who anyone with even a minimum level of intellect would recognize as a threat to any human life within reach, and yet (this being America, of course), the disgruntled are lining up with their complaints.

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I think that says everything, William, "this being America, of course."

Apr 24th 2013 new

(Quote) Bernard-2709 said: Like...?
(Quote) Bernard-2709 said:

Like...?

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Too many exceptions, and the order you are excepting from becomes the exception.

If the order of the day in emergencies is "inter arma enim silent leges" (in War the law falls silent - Cicero), and there is always an emergency equivalent to War, then it may come to be a surprise if the Constitution is ever spoken of.

The event below is the dress rehersal. Don't kid yourselves.

www.youtube.com

Apr 25th 2013 new

(Quote) Ray-566531 said: (Quote) Bernard-2709 said: How does any of that apply to that innocent Famil...
(Quote) Ray-566531 said:

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Bernard-2709 said:

How does any of that apply to that innocent Family?


Let's take an identical scenario, Bernard, and assume you are part of the law enforcement team that is closing in on this suspect, who you know is armed and dangerous.

How would you have handled it?

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That's a tough call.Of course we don't have all the facts.I discussed it with my brother in Law who is a retired Cop.He feels it was an acceptable situation.

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