I cannot speak for all women (some of us are idiots too), but when I say "NO" I mean NO!
If my parents had said "we'll see," I would have kept working them until they said no. I have to be told straight out. lol.
But the younger one (when he was perhaps five) put a positive spin on it. One time the older one was asking me about something and I said, "We'll have to see" The younger one piped up: "That usually means a yes!" (i was laughing privately)
Yes, Carl NO means NO and YES means YES. very clear For all types of relationships! Now between fathers and daughters (mine in particular) when he said NO it meant to my sis and I "maybe"...if I bug him enough it will be a yes :) But don't feel too sorry for him because he learned not to say NO to us he just said "tomorrow, daughter, tomorrow" ...we could never argue with that!
Some security expert I think on "Oprah" made an interesting comment:
When a man says "no" it's the end of the conversation. When a woman says "no" it's the beginning of a negotiation.
No truer words were ever spoken!
That's quite interesting!