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Apr 29 new

news.yahoo.com


Help me answer my friends who think this is a great thing, please.


So far they have posted:
1. Good for her. Follow your bliss, people.
2. Actually, many religions are catholic, and are Catholic in their proper names. The word means "universal." If Rosemarie Smead has indeed been ordained as a Roman Catholic priest, it is unprecedented as the Roman Catholic church has, to the best of my admittedly limited knowledge, not ordained a woman as a priest before. I am not sure what basic tenets she rejects, but surely those subjecting women to inferior status would have to be one of them.
3. According to the article, she still identifies as Catholic. Clearly, the group is a splinter group, and not sanctioned by the mainstream powers that be, but presumably they still follow many practices. They have emerged from the Catholic tradition, and are taking it in a new direction even as they continue to identify themselves with that tradition. It's not my label. Cathy and others (dissdots esp) wasn't there another group a few years back who did a similar ordination?? I seem to remember that there was, but I don't recall any details. I'm a curious bystander, not a Catholic or former Catholic.
4. and, keep in mind that the "tenets" of the faith were all decided solely by men, as if God doesn't speak to women at all.

Apr 29 new

When my daughter was eight, she attended a Lutheran church with my parents. She went up to the woman pastor with the Roman collar and told her that women shouldn't be priests because it is silly- the 12 apostoles were men. If a little girl is able to recognize that, having come from a rather conservative Diocese, then adults should be able to get it as well.

I am confident that you will get more theologically sound advice from others on here :)

Apr 29 new

NO. Women priests are a theological impossibility.

The Church is always referred to as the Bride of Christ.

The Priest is acting in persona Christi.

Christ was male.

The priest is therefore male.

Christ founded the priesthood through his masculinity.

These links cannot be undone.

Christ is the groom. The priest acts in the place of Christ. The priest cannot be female because then in her role as priest she is acting as a "groom" to a Church referred to in the feminine. The groom is a masculine role.

A woman cannot "marry" another woman. Despite what some stupid countries think.

The whole "because its good for religion" or "because ladies are nice" is all assinine. If Christ had wanted female priests he would have ordained them. He did crazy stuff that went against the current social grain all the time. He ate with the unclean and hung out with prostitutes, had tax collectors amongst his friends, was considered a drunk and "worked" on the Sabbath. Those were pretty big social no-nos, lifting up women to the place of the priesthood is pretty much on par with those things in radical thinking way. He would have done it if he wanted to.

Whatever silly reasons people come up with to try and justify women preists, it doesn't pan out theologically or scripturally.

Apr 29 new

(Quote) Naomi-698107 said: NO. Women priests are a theological impossibility. The Church is always referred to as the...
(Quote) Naomi-698107 said:

NO. Women priests are a theological impossibility.

The Church is always referred to as the Bride of Christ.

The Priest is acting in persona Christi.

Christ was male.

The priest is therefore male.

Christ founded the priesthood through his masculinity.

These links cannot be undone.

Christ is the groom. The priest acts in the place of Christ. The priest cannot be female because then in her role as priest she is acting as a "groom" to a Church referred to in the feminine. The groom is a masculine role.

A woman cannot "marry" another woman. Despite what some stupid countries think.

The whole "because its good for religion" or "because ladies are nice" is all assinine. If Christ had wanted female priests he would have ordained them. He did crazy stuff that went against the current social grain all the time. He ate with the unclean and hung out with prostitutes, had tax collectors amongst his friends, was considered a drunk and "worked" on the Sabbath. Those were pretty big social no-nos, lifting up women to the place of the priesthood is pretty much on par with those things in radical thinking way. He would have done it if he wanted to.

Whatever silly reasons people come up with to try and justify women preists, it doesn't pan out theologically or scripturally.

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I agree but maybe there is an opening for women deacons

Apr 29 new
(Quote) Lisa-962589 said: When my daughter was eight, she attended a Lutheran church with my parents. She went up to the woman pastor with...
(Quote) Lisa-962589 said:

When my daughter was eight, she attended a Lutheran church with my parents. She went up to the woman pastor with the Roman collar and told her that women shouldn't be priests because it is silly- the 12 apostoles were men. If a little girl is able to recognize that, having come from a rather conservative Diocese, then adults should be able to get it as well.



I am confident that you will get more theologically sound advice from others on here :)

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Unfortunately, when you toy around the idea of Holy Eucharist as a Holy Sacrifice, as the re-presentation of the once and for all sacrifice of Christ offered by Christ (through the priest) Himself, you can do as you see fit regarding the ordained ministry.
Apr 29 new

(Quote) Rachel-731570 said: news.yahoo.com.
(Quote) Rachel-731570 said:

news.yahoo.com


Help me answer my friends who think this is a great thing, please.


So far they have posted:
1. Good for her. Follow your bliss, people.
2. Actually, many religions are catholic, and are Catholic in their proper names. The word means "universal." If Rosemarie Smead has indeed been ordained as a Roman Catholic priest, it is unprecedented as the Roman Catholic church has, to the best of my admittedly limited knowledge, not ordained a woman as a priest before. I am not sure what basic tenets she rejects, but surely those subjecting women to inferior status would have to be one of them.
3. According to the article, she still identifies as Catholic. Clearly, the group is a splinter group, and not sanctioned by the mainstream powers that be, but presumably they still follow many practices. They have emerged from the Catholic tradition, and are taking it in a new direction even as they continue to identify themselves with that tradition. It's not my label. Cathy and others (dissdots esp) wasn't there another group a few years back who did a similar ordination?? I seem to remember that there was, but I don't recall any details. I'm a curious bystander, not a Catholic or former Catholic.
4. and, keep in mind that the "tenets" of the faith were all decided solely by men, as if God doesn't speak to women at all.

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Good for her? She tossed aside the beliefs and teachings of the Roman Catholic Church, and that's considered "good"? She's incurred an automatic excommunication. That's considered "good"?

Her so-called ordination is not valid, and is not accepted by the Catholic Church. There have been splinter groups throughout the history of the Church -- they come and they go. Other women have gone through an "ordination" process, but again, these women are not validly ordained priests.

She might accept the Church's doctrines in other areas, but has used the "cafeteria" approach, in essence, saying, I don't accept the rules about the Sacrament of Holy Orders that excludes women. Whatever she does as a so-called priest will NOT be recognized in the Church (consecration of the bread and wine; marriages, and so on).

She might be regarded as heroic and gutsy in some circles, but the bottom line is that it's still wrong. Does exclusion from the priesthood automatically mean the Church places women in an inferior position? No. Just take the Virgin Mary, for example. She is the mother of Jesus (God).

God Himself handed down the 10 Commandments; Jesus provided the human touch during His 3 years of teaching and preaching. The example to follow has been set.

Apr 29 new

(Quote) Fred-828727 said: I agree but maybe there is an opening for women deacons
(Quote) Fred-828727 said:

I agree but maybe there is an opening for women deacons

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No maybe about it, Fred -- men only.

Apr 29 new

(Quote) Ray-566531 said: No maybe about it, Fred -- men only.
(Quote) Ray-566531 said:

No maybe about it, Fred -- men only.

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there are mentions in the new testaments about Deaconess

Apr 29 new

(Quote) Naomi-698107 said: NO. Women priests are a theological impossibility.
(Quote) Naomi-698107 said:

NO. Women priests are a theological impossibility.

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Just adding to what Naomi said (couldn't have said it better myself Naomi!) Bl. John Paul II stated infalibly that the Church has no authority to ordain female priests. The male priesthood is what Jesus Christ laid out, and the Church can not change that, in the same way the Church can not change its possition on same sex "marriage" because marriage was defined by God.

Apr 29 new

(Quote) Fred-828727 said: there are mentions in the new testaments about Deaconess
(Quote) Fred-828727 said:

there are mentions in the new testaments about Deaconess

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There is no evidence the deaconesses mentioned in the New Testament were ordained or performed functions that must be performed by ordained ministers. They assisted with baptisms of adult females and things of that nature to preserve modesty.

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