I will again point out that it is the Iraqis doing the bombing of themselves, not us.
Saddam Hussein absolutely was killing civilians on a daily basis. And not only killing them. He employed professional rapists.
How can you sit there and act like pre-war Iraqi parents somehow didn't have to worry about the safety of their children? There is absolutely no basis in reality for this stand.
One of the whole reasons why people were concerned about WMD's in Iraq was because Saddam bombed civilian towns with nerve gas and in one single solitary instance killed over 5,000 civilians, including children! There were pictures in the press of the dead bodies of children lying bloating in the sun on the streets. But according to you this "order and stability." I don't think anybody wants that kind of order and stability.
But death wasn't the only problem for Iraqi parents. If your father (or husband, or brother) did something that the government didn't like but for whatever reason did feel like killing him, he might well be taken into a room. You, as a female relative, would be also taken into that room, so that they could gang rape you in front of him. But it was all orderly, so I guess it was okay, right? These rapists were actually professionals. Think about that for a second. Saddam did this so regularly he had guys on payrolll whose whole job was to rape women in front of their families. It boggles the mind that you constantly bring up how orderly and "secure" pre-war Iraq was. Who cares?
Would it really make you feel better to know that you or your family was might be killed deliberately by your own government than it would to think that if there was a valid military target nearby, and if the Americans attacked it and if they missed that target you might be accidentally killed. Would your really sleep better at night knowing that at any moment the door could be kicked down and you or your mother or daughter or sister, or random friend could be dragged off and incessantly gang raped or otherwise tortured because some informer somewhere whispered something about one of your friends of family members? That's your idea of peace?
One has to love her passion for peace, but her reasoning is seriously flawed as you expose.
The enemy has used the arguments she embraces to confuse us; to give the diplomats false hope who don't recognize diplomatic means has been exhausted; and, politicians act without a backbone because the majority themselves are not properly disposed...
I know our current president is not going to send the likes of my son and other able bodied men into action and the situation there will deteriorate. It seems to me that doing what is right and honorable takes a back seat to appeasing one's constituency.
I am sick of triangulation, with God's precepts nowhere on the radar.
Even when we bring the issues home, look at the administration's work on abortion ( the death of hundred's of thousands annually, ney, likely millions when contraception is in the mix), yet it's so concerned for school children. PAAAALEEEEEASE!
Ok, I said I was going to stay out of here... so I should stick with my word...