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May 26 new
"The people who have the least are owed the same"
Why are they owed anything? Every human being should have the right to make a living and care for themselves and their families and they do have that right in this country. Whether they do something with that privilege is up to them. The USA helps more people at home and around the world than any other country and the only way they do that is by taxing the people that work very hard and make something of themselves and are not leaching off of society. If you study history, you will see which forms of government help people do just that and which fail.

May 26 new
(quote) John-221057 said: Travis, unfortunately many people aren't willing to think outside the box. The best I can think of are Germany and the Scandinavian countries (ie. Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Finland). Whenever many of the narrow-minded folk mention the problems of European economies, they mention Greece, but neglect the fact that Germany and Scandinavia have high taxes, extensive social welfare policies (no one has to pay to go to college, parents get child care covered, maternity and paternity leaves are available to help families raise children), yet they also have balanced budgets and low levels of debt. And they have far bigger government than Greece does.

And most importantly, Germany and Scandinavia have free enterprise economies that retain ownership/private property, acquisition of wealth, and a hard working population.

I think what needs to happen is a rethinking of the idea that government is inherently bad.
I thought this was an interesting article since you brought up Sweden as a poster child.
reason.com
May 26 new
Yes, but what about when ordinary people don't have a chance to make a living because of cronyism? Should CEOs have the right to set their own salaries and arrange for big severance pays from other people's money after a few years when they step down?

That's the problem right there and that's what Pope Francis is talking about. The system that exists right now is not a free market. What we have now is not capitalism, but cronyism.

I'd suggest taking a look at the principles of Catholic social teaching. These 3 in particular stand out for me:

Option for the Poor and Vulnerable

A basic moral test is how our most vulnerable members are faring. In a society marred by deepening divisions between rich and poor, our tradition recalls the story of the Last Judgment (Mt 25:31-46) and instructs us to put the needs of the poor and vulnerable first.

The Dignity of Work and the Rights of Workers

The economy must serve people, not the other way around. Work is more than a way to make a living; it is a form of continuing participation in Gods creation. If the dignity of work is to be protected, then the basic rights of workers must be respectedthe right to productive work, to decent and fair wages, to the organization and joining of unions, to private property, and to economic initiative.

Solidarity

We are one human family whatever our national, racial, ethnic, economic, and ideological differences. We are our brothers and sisters keepers, wherever they may be. Loving our neighbor has global dimensions in a shrinking world. At the core of the virtue of solidarity is the pursuit of justice and peace. Pope Paul VI taught that if you want peace, work for justice. The Gospel calls us to be peacemakers. Our love for all our sisters and brothers demands that we promote peace in a world surrounded by violence and conflict.

Source (and the rest): www.catholiccharitiesusa.org

Pope Francis is upholding the Church's teaching, and I think many people on these forums need to familiarize themselves with what the Catholic Church teaches about helping the most vulnerable instead of calling them leaches.


May 26 new
Juan Peron was a nationalist, which is why he is vilified in the Anglo-American sphere of influence. The Wall Street Empire is nothing but organized looting of economies. Wall Street does the same thing to the US that it has done to other countries such as Argentina. It's a foreign power on American soil.
May 26 new
You want to "to keep things civilized" but have no problem calling people "mean spirited" in the process of doing so if they have a different opinion from you. Passive aggressive isn't exactly polite either.
May 26 new
(quote) Sean-851370 said: Juan Peron was a nationalist, which is why he is vilified in the Anglo-American sphere of influence. The Wall Street Empire is nothing but organized looting of economies. Wall Street does the same thing to the US that it has done to other countries such as Argentina. It's a foreign power on American soil.
That's absolutely right! American taxpayer money was spent to bail them out of the disasters that they created. Their CEOs got massive severance pays (once again, with with taxpayer dollars), and are probably living it up on some tropical island now.

That bailout was nothing but corporate welfare. It's okay to bail out mega banks that control the planet but not ordinary people who genuinely need help to escape from poverty.

The free market regardless of whether or not we want to acknowledge this reality. It's been replaced by cronyism, and that's what our Pope is speaking out against.
May 26 new
You say: "I think many people on these forums need to familiarize themselves with what the Catholic Church teaches about helping the most vulnerable instead of calling them leaches."

You are misrepresenting what people on this board are saying. No one on this board disputes that it is our responsibility as Catholics to care for the poor. What people on this board do dispute is the fact that that care should come from our bloated government which is led by a man who uses the power of the state to punish his enemies and permanently enjoin certain groups of people to government welfare. Charity and welfare are not the same thing.

In response to how peachy keen Scandinavia is...Have you seen the news lately? Riots for several days in Sweden. Equality can not be bought with a government budget line item.
May 26 new
(quote) John-221057 said:
The free market regardless of whether or not we want to acknowledge this reality. It's been replaced by cronyism, and that's what our Pope is speaking out against.
What I meant to say is that the free market is dead and gone.
May 26 new
(quote) Steve-650539 said: You say: "I think many people on these forums need to familiarize themselves with what the Catholic Church teaches about helping the most vulnerable instead of calling them leaches."

You are misrepresenting what people on this board are saying. No one on this board disputes that it is our responsibility as Catholics to care for the poor. What people on this board do dispute is the fact that that care should come from our bloated government which is led by a man who uses the power of the state to punish his enemies and permanently enjoin certain groups of people to government welfare. Charity and welfare are not the same thing.

In response to how peachy keen Scandinavia is...Have you seen the news lately? Riots for several days in Sweden. Equality can not be bought with a government budget line item.
The only people being enjoined to government welfare are the mega banks. Taxpayer dollars that American workers earned were meant to save the very banks that are enslaving the world
May 26 new
(quote) Steve-650539 said: You say: "I think many people on these forums need to familiarize themselves with what the Catholic Church teaches about helping the most vulnerable instead of calling them leaches."

You are misrepresenting what people on this board are saying. No one on this board disputes that it is our responsibility as Catholics to care for the poor. What people on this board do dispute is the fact that that care should come from our bloated government which is led by a man who uses the power of the state to punish his enemies and permanently enjoin certain groups of people to government welfare. Charity and welfare are not the same thing.


You get a Gold Star! Well said Steve!!
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