(quote) John-971967 said: Paul,
Thanks for the response. There is a lot to cover here and I would be glad to do so. Unfortunately I do not have time over the next week or two.
Since you have put down more of your thought process in your last response, I can see that we likely have more commonalities in the way each of us see things, than we have differences. But I think it would be a stimulating discussion to take up some of the things raised to deeper levels.
Just to be upfront, please know that I may consider myself of a traditionalist background, but I certainly will not allow myself to be separated from the Church as some traditionalists have done. I attend what here is called "The Normal Mass" regularly. I just happen to prefer the Tridentine Mass which unfortunately is not offered widely at all and continues to be suppressed by many bishops in their locales.
Can we come back to it in two weeks, when I have more time?
As those who have been here since I first came on board almost a year ago can attest, I, like you, prefer the Tidentine Mass for two main reasons; 1) its elegant simplicity even in its most solemn form and 2) because it is what I grew up with.
Contrary to what many believe Bendict said in his Modus Proprio, it was not a blanket and unbridled permission for the use of the Tridentine Form of the Mass.
He first stipulates that the Novus Ordo is the primary and preferred method for the celebration of the Mass.
Although it reaffirms that the person primarily responsible for how the liturgy is performed is the local Bishop. However, even that affirmation is limited. It specifies that no individual priest may publicly celebrate the Tridentine Mass without the permission of the Pastor of the parish. Any priest may do so for his private Mass and he is given permission to allow members of the laity to attend IF they specifically ask him.
A Pastor on the other hand is given the authority hold a public celebration of the Tridentine Form without a Bishops permission. But only ONE Tridentine Mass may be held each Sunday in a parish under this indult. The local Bishop may give permission for a Pastor to have more than one per Sunday celebrated in a particular parish.
There is also one other over riding restriction. Even for a priest's private mass as well as for any public Tidentine Mass, it may only be celebrated by a priest who has received specific training in the Tridentine rite of the Mass.
And this last, is the only way a local Bishop, can legitimately suppress its celebration in their Sees; by seeing that no priest, especially pastors, under his control has been so trained.
I don't doubt that there may be Bishops who improperly and illegitimately suppress it. However, I would venture the guess that in most instances the non-existence of it within a Diocese is more the result from the lack of interest on the part of the Laity. I say that because one of the other restrictions Benedict laid down was that a Bishop is encouraged to accommodate the laity wherever and whenever there is a sufficient demand by the laity. In other words, if the only ones asking for the Tridentine Mass were a few old geezers like myself, we can be ignored.
By the way, one of the interesting facts that Priests from (I believe I am naming them correctly) the Society of Saints Peter and Paul whose primary charism is the preservation of the Tirdentine Rite as well as the reverent execution of both that rite and the Novus Ordo is that in general it is the younger people who attend the Tridentine rite while older people choose the Novus.