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In the debate over illegal immigrants it is often said Mexicans are in an effort to make a better life for their family. Fair enough.

I would like to know what is up in Mexico that this can't be done there?
Jul 9th 2013 new
(quote) Clair-6292 said: In the debate over illegal immigrants it is often said Mexicans are in an effort to make a better life for their family. Fair enough.

I would like to know what is up in Mexico that this can't be done there?
Part of the problem is that there is nothing up in Mexico.
Jul 9th 2013 new
(quote) Clair-6292 said: In the debate over illegal immigrants it is often said Mexicans are in an effort to make a better life for their family. Fair enough.

I would like to know what is up in Mexico that this can't be done there?
Clair,

Have you pondered these questions?

Why is it that American employers and Americans by-en-large (of Republican, Democrat and Independent persuasion alike continue to hire and compensate those outside of prescribed law who are here? If this would cease, the problem would be solved, would it not?

Without this reality, the vast majority of illegals would not come. We wouldn't have a border problem, if we did not have a hypocrisy problem, a "usage" problem, and the politicians are obfuscating it by making it a burden of the individual citizen and not these employers who hire them.

How bind can we be? It's just common sense!
Jul 9th 2013 new

Pretty much the same situation applies throughout the course of history with regards immigration. There are "push" factors that push people out of a place (like lack of opportunity, poverty and so on) and "pull" factors that pull people towards a place (like jobs, opportunity for social mobility, availability of education) and so on. Most people dont really want to leave the place they call home as we as humans tend to get emotionally attached to our familiar surroundings. However, the push and pull factors sometimes combine to create waves of migration (both legal and illegal).

Jul 9th 2013 new
(quote) Angela-374523 said:

Pretty much the same situation applies throughout the course of history with regards immigration. There are "push" factors that push people out of a place (like lack of opportunity, poverty and so on) and "pull" factors that pull people towards a place (like jobs, opportunity for social mobility, availability of education) and so on. Most people dont really want to leave the place they call home as we as humans tend to get emotionally attached to our familiar surroundings. However, the push and pull factors sometimes combine to create waves of migration (both legal and illegal).

Then what are the PUSH reasons in Mexico?
Jul 9th 2013 new
(quote) John-971967 said: Clair,

Have you pondered these questions?

Why is it that American employers and Americans by-en-large (of Republican, Democrat and Independent persuasion alike continue to hire and compensate those outside of prescribed law who are here? If this would cease, the problem would be solved, would it not?

Without this reality, the vast majority of illegals would not come. We wouldn't have a border problem, if we did not have a hypocrisy problem, a "usage" problem, and the politicians are obfuscating it by making it a burden of the individual citizen and not these employers who hire them.

How bind can we be? It's just common sense!
John:

You are right on target with that answer.

Business hires illegals and the burden of enforcing the law should also
fall within their hands.

From what I know from Federal agents, raids are constantly done on
these big factories with scores of illegals.

This mass immigration of 1 million illegals per year benefits big business.
Yet, it is American citizens who are truly subsidizing Big Businesses. They
don't even realize it.

Big Business gets cheap labor, and that cheap labor pouches on
America's benefits for its citizens.

America better wake up and see their resources like benefits being diminished.

If prices go up in the stores, that will ultimately be better for the economy
because it will be the result of more Americans working at the proper wages.

Jul 9th 2013 new
(quote) John-971967 said: Clair,

Have you pondered these questions?

Why is it that American employers and Americans by-en-large (of Republican, Democrat and Independent persuasion alike continue to hire and compensate those outside of prescribed law who are here? If this would cease, the problem would be solved, would it not?

Without this reality, the vast majority of illegals would not come. We wouldn't have a border problem, if we did not have a hypocrisy problem, a "usage" problem, and the politicians are obfuscating it by making it a burden of the individual citizen and not these employers who hire them.

How bind can we be? It's just common sense!
How many times has a law been passed to take care of a problem? How often are these laws enforced? There are people using other people in modern dau slavory.

We DON'T need God! Who was the "idiot" that said treat others like yourself? rolling eyes There is one point that is usually missed. Maybe purposely left out. In the early 20th century Mexico had a Bulshivik (sp?) revolution. A form of Communism moved in. There are those few in Mexico enjoying the spoils raped from the people. We see the same here with the ruling class in D.C. Mexicans are coming here and we are turning more like from where they left!


A person in Fatima told us "The errors of Russia will spread over the world ," if we did not do the things she pleeded us to do! rosary

The dumbest thing is everyone here who says to pander them here with the same thing that caused the problem there is the only or best way to help them.
Jul 9th 2013 new
(quote) Clair-6292 said: Then what are the PUSH reasons in Mexico?
From what I understand from Mexicans:

Firstly, they are afraid of the Government.

Secondly, there are not a lot of jobs there for them.

That is Mexico's problem and they are not hard to fix. But why should
they fix them if the American Government lavishes them with American's
benefits.

The Mexicans that come here know how to work and they also know
how to work our system. They are far from ignorant. Mexico has lots
of natural resources and is a beautiful country. And their President
dictates to America on how he wants his citizens to be treated.
It is hard to believe what America allows to go on.

It is up to them to make their country work. It is not America's problem.
American had its own bloody revolution, and not for the benefit of
a bordering country.

The Mexicans I know here still have their house and their property
back in Mexico.

Do you have a house and property somewhere else, in addition to
your living quarters here in America? I think not.
Jul 9th 2013 new
(quote) Paul-866591 said: Part of the problem is that there is nothing up in Mexico.
Did this stop the Aztecs from developing a culture that ruled and prospered? Nothing there? Where did it go?

We see another example of this with Venezuala. There is no question the people are poor and life is hard. Chavez nationalized the oil industry, "for the people." At his death Chavez's net worth was over $50 billion! What people benifited from the oi?
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