(quote) Michelle-860764 said: I understand the Church's teaching on this topic. I also believe in the Church's teaching on this topic. Where is the FORGIVENESS in your reply here. WHO are you to condemn someone else to HELL for the choices they make? That is up to ONE "The One and Only.....GOD" not MAN or mortal human beings.
Priests are who we look to for guidance and support when we do fall not for condemnation and ridicule.
Example: If my daughter came home pregnant I certainly would NOT send her away in shame. I may not be happy about it but I would try to be understanding and help them through it. That is what Jesus teaches. We are to lift each other up in love......condemnation does not work, in fact it has an opposite effect many times.
First, I am assuming you were responding to my post. If you are, than you are not understanding me, but putting a lot of assumptions into what I wrote. Perhaps I could have been more clear. I am a direct and to the point kind of guy, but for you I will slow down and explain. However, I do want to speak plainly so there is less chance of persons looking at my comments as watered down Catholicity.
Let me take it point by point...
I am not judging anyone to their final judgment. You are correct that is not for me to do. It's really the furthest thing from my mind. But we can definitely discern that premarital sex is a grave sin, a mortal sin IF unrepented and we die with it! Hence my words of warning... there is a HELL... ie. don't go to your death with sins on your soul; you won't like the rest of your life!!!
Christ will be the judge, for sure; not I. However, those who think pre-marital sex is just fine need to really wake up and smell the dung that sin is. I am not talking about anyone in particular, because it applies to all of us (including me), but we ourselves know this to be true; if we don't, we Catholics sure should.
So now we know where the Church stands; premarital sex is a mortal sin. Those with it, repent and do penance!!!
Grave sin is the same thing as mortal sin. If you understand there to be a difference, let me hear it.
We must confess mortal sins and do penance. When we go to confession, receive absolution and complete our penance, then the mortal sin is removed. So in a way, we can die a thousand even a million (or more - pathetically) spiritual deaths before we die, and by God's grace if repented, absolved and do our reparation are "born" again in Christ. Not doing so, and if the sin stays past death, well it is up to God, but Christ did say over and over what will keep us out of paradise.
Not getting into paradise on judgment day means that the alternative is hell.
When it comes to mortal sins, getting all the guidance and support from a priest (or any other human) might make one feel good, but unless we confess our sin and get the priest's absolution (as Christ's representative) his holding our hand, easing our consciences with his compassionate words - not Christ's - won't do squat for us in the end. Sorry, it won't; know it!
Regarding your example, of course I would not ultimately condemn any daughter (or son), I never said I would. But they/we need to know, even before they/we engage, that pre-marital sex is just plain wrong; it's against God's command. They/we also need to know how grave, mortally grave, the consequences are - not could be. We don't know when we will die; we all should act like it could be today. Let's not count on old age.
br>Well, I am sorry, but a mortal sin is something we should be ashamed of. It is a direct offense against God. If anyone does not like being called out for what they do, then they shouldn't do it. God made the rules.
If you are a Catholic like me, there is but one set of rules for all of us. Yours are not different than mine. We all should get to know God's playbook.