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Sep 13th 2013 new
Oh I dunno Joan. You're showing an awful lot of collarbone there yourself.
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Sep 13th 2013 new
That's why I wish the 'Album Photos' section on the front page would go away. I keep having to use ad blocker to knock pics out, but it's like whac-a-mole. If you want to look through them, fine; you might meet somebody that way, but it's kind of annoying to have some inappropriate stuff shoved at you.
Sep 13th 2013 new
(quote) Tom-975374 said: It's not just what someone wears that counts as immodest, it's how you compose yourself and how you wear your clothes. Sometimes the clothes are just about appropriate but the poses aren't. Anyway, as a trad even a lot of Catholics think our modesty standards are too much (I argue otherwise of course!). 


Thanks Tom.

It's impossible to forumulate a bright line proscription on what is modest or immodest attire. Some people go ape over women in pants although they're often far less revealing that a skirt or dress. Others express convulsive outrage over bare shoulders. (Oh come on! Really?) Much is written about skirt/dress length as well. All of it silly. Still others trot out dusty lists written 70+ years ago about what sorts of attire women should be permitted to wear as if that somehow works today.

The Supreme Court said that pornography is impossible to define but that we all know it when we see it. The same can be said for immodest attire. I recently attended a daily mass. A woman in her late 20's or very early 30's was in line for confession ahead of me. She also sat in a pew a few rows ahead of me during mass. She wore a long-sleeved cotton jersey blouse and an ankle-length skirt of the same material. She also wore a mantilla. By all accounts one would say she was "modestly attired". BUT, the material clung to her in such a way and her undergarments evidently were so sheer that anyone who looked at her had a very clear conception of what she looked like naked. I won't go into details but suffice it to say it left absolutely nothing to question. At the same Mass there was another woman in jeans and an oxford dress shirt (one would say mannish cloths but they looked very feminine on her) and another in knee-length shorts and a sleeveless shell top with a scoop neck-line. Both of these women was more modestly attired than the one in long-sleeves and a floor length skirt. (I won't fault that poor young women because it was obviously not her intention to dress in such a revealing fashion and she would be mortified if this were pointed out to her. She had a very pious demeanor and attended Mass devoutly - but she might as well have been standing there naked.) So there's no one standard. It's the whole which creates the effect.


Sep 13th 2013 new
I'll probably catch a lot of flack for saying this, but IMO female jealousy and male insecurity, inadequacy, and sexual frustration are the true reason behind the endless hand-wringing over the appearance of attractive women and outrage over their apparent immodesty.

So, let's all examine our own consciences and motives before we set about to assail others. If we're honest with ourselves, we're likely to find that the fault lies within us rather than with women who are graced with true physical beauty.
Sep 13th 2013 new
I think it is funnier than heck that men are so involved in this discussion! As a woman, I will be the first to say that some female CM members have posed in photos where their clothing or their pose is a bit too suggestive. It would be nice if one of these fine photo police would message the woman and politely tell her of the objection they have to her photos!
Then again, that would require a personal communication with a woman, instead of looking through their photos and clucking their tongues!
Sep 13th 2013 new
I say we should all just mind our own business.
Sep 13th 2013 new
Sigh. :( This post does nothing good, in my opinion.

A. It's so general. Who are you talking to Joan? Most likely people that aren't even reading this. And if they are, we won't know. Communicate directly with them in a private message. Stop telling CM at large through the forums.

B. It doesn't really matter if a person has photos in summer clothing or fall fashions. The whole point of photos is so the person gets a hint of an idea of what the person might look like in person. Summer or fall, the effect is the same.

C. Once again, CM men are painted with a broad (and NEGATIVE) brush. How do you know that no men have made this observation and suggestion? Perhaps they chose to do it privately. If they did it publicly, does that make the situation better? I think not.

Sep 13th 2013 new
(quote) Lucy-41785 said: Sigh. :( This post does nothing good, in my opinion.

A. It's so general. Who are you talking to Joan? Most likely people that aren't even reading this. And if they are, we won't know. Communicate directly with them in a private message. Stop telling CM at large through the forums.

B. It doesn't really matter if a person has photos in summer clothing or fall fashions. The whole point of photos is so the person gets a hint of an idea of what the person might look like in person. Summer or fall, the effect is the same.

C. Once again, CM men are painted with a broad (and NEGATIVE) brush. How do you know that no men have made this observation and suggestion? Perhaps they chose to do it privately. If they did it publicly, does that make the situation better? I think not.

Preach it Lucy!!!!!!! Totally Agree!!!!! wink
Sep 13th 2013 new
(quote) Lucy-41785 said: Sigh. :( This post does nothing good, in my opinion.

A. It's so general. Who are you talking to Joan? Most likely people that aren't even reading this. And if they are, we won't know. Communicate directly with them in a private message. Stop telling CM at large through the forums.

B. It doesn't really matter if a person has photos in summer clothing or fall fashions. The whole point of photos is so the person gets a hint of an idea of what the person might look like in person. Summer or fall, the effect is the same.

C. Once again, CM men are painted with a broad (and NEGATIVE) brush. How do you know that no men have made this observation and suggestion? Perhaps they chose to do it privately. If they did it publicly, does that make the situation better? I think not.

It made me double check my profile... wink
Sep 13th 2013 new
What is considered "revealing attire"?

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