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Nov 24th 2013 new
The bottom line is that Kairos understands, as you apparently do not, that in any war, verbal strategy is as important as military strategy. This axiom dictates that all combatants for the Faith, especially those of highest rank, should never use the language of the enemy except that which they place in quotes or preface by a qualifier.

By your repetitive use and acceptance of gayspeak you have put yourself in opposition to the forces of Christ, and aligned yourself to the worldwide "Gay Lobby." By your use and acceptance of gayspeak, you have validated and advanced the cause of the Homosexual Collective world-wide.

No wonder the English pro-homosexual group Quest praised your use of the word "gay," as "a Pentecost moment for the Church, comparing it with the theophany when the Holy Spirit descended on the Apostles following Our Lord's Ascension." [7]

My advice to you is simply, "Stop it!"


There are millions of devout nonCatholic and nonOrthodox Christians who are not nourished by the Real Presence. How important (or unimportant) is the fact that they are missing this nourishment? They are missing this nourishment because they belong to 'ecclesiastical organisations'. Should all combatants for the Faith, especially those of highest rank, repudiate the use of 'church' or apostrophise or qualify its use when speaking about the other 'churches'? Is the receiving of Christ's real body and blood important enough to warrant this?


Are the official Vatican communiques about, say, the visit of the Archbishop of Canterbury to the Holy See to refer to him as the head of the Anglican Communion of ecclesiastical organisations? Should Roman Catholic representatives to ecumenical meetings be banned from using the word 'church' to refer to the other Christian organisations in their speeches to their ecumenical audiences? Is the receiving of Christ's real body and blood important enough to warrant this?



How 'enemy' are the non-Catholics? Are they more 'enemy' than 'gays' so that their power word of self-reference (Episcopal Church, United Methodist Church, Lutheran Church) must never be used, or less 'enemy' so that the c-word can be used by official Catholic Church leaders in relation to them? And at whose desk/s does the buck stop concerning when and where to use the c-word or the 'ecclesiastical organisation' phrase? Is it the same desk as for the g-word, or does the buck stop at Randy Engel's desk?






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