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Dec 13th 2013 new
(quote) Jerry-74383 said: We must love the sinner, but also hate the sin. Once we accept the sin, we are no longer loving the sinner -- no matter how compassionate we think we are being -- because we have given up on fighting for their eternal salvation.

thumbsup Well said Jerry!

I have heard people state that Jesus hung around with sinners, with the conclusion being that since he was 'hanging' with them, he accepted their behavior (i.e. loved them just as they are).

Jesus hung around with sinners with the intention of getting them to see the light....to change their sinful behavior....to save them. (Just as His purpose was to save each of us). His purpose was NOT to let them (or us) stay steeped in their (our) sinful life.

So as we 'hang' with sinners, the way we strive to be Christ-like, the way we love them, is to strive to get them to see the light....to change their sinful behavior. (And, we need to be receptive when another does the same towards us). We actually show love to the sinner by NOT accepting or condoning the sinful behavior.

There's actually scripture out there that states we will be held accountable for NOT speaking up. (Will try to find it to post)

Dec 13th 2013 new
(quote) Jerry-74383 said: The blog post Damien linked to is providing information about militant gay activists and their agenda; I see nothing there that suggests the author is speaking of homosexuals in general.

The link in my previous post is to a recent article on another site which documents an instance of protests by militant gay activists, which, again, do not represent homosexuals in general, engaging in the type of activities described in the article in Damien's post.

Homosexual activists, militant and otherwise, as well as other groups promoting immoral agendas (abortion, euthanasia, contraception, taking over public education, etc.) are waging war on Christian society. They are not merely promoting their agendas through normal political process, which would be bad enough; they are using their influence to circumvent the normal process through judicial activism and abuse of executive power within the governments.

I am not saying homosexuals are bad people or that they as individuals should be ostracized. However, their agendas that promote the societal acceptance of immoral behavior -- behavior described as an abomination in Scripture -- must be stopped.



our job is to LOVE not hate and that includes opposing evil.
Dec 13th 2013 new
(quote) Mary-1034540 said: It makes me saddened to see inflammatory, defammatory rhetoric of any kind in this community environment that encourages prejudice born of fear and others have mirrored this sentiment in other forums. Our Holy Father encourages us to be loving and accepting of all God's children. Why must some part of the human race demonize one race or group or another? What good comes of castigating someone else as a lesser being? There are far greater minds than mine to address this philosophical and psychological question however, what I feel compelled to ask is why all the fear mongering and why bring it here? To what end?
Does it help anyone grow in love, understanding and acceptance of our human family? Empathy for those who don't 'fit in' might be a more faith filled option. Medicine has recognized for a long time that gender is not clear in some albeit a small percentage of the population. Should we reject and thereby abuse these children? People do not choose their gender preferences. Many suffer great emotional pains of rejection and many die or are killed because of a characteristic they did not ask for. The same could be said for the color of one's skin or the ethnic group we are born into.
Once we get into lumping any group of people into a "them" it is easier to hate. I recall during the Viet Nam war and no, I won't minimize that by calling it a 'conflict,' that the Viet Namese soldiers were dehumanized by being referred to by a derogatory name which I won't repeat.. for the reason that it made it easier to kill an "it" and not another human being. Perhaps... it is not gender attraction that is the 'evil' here but rather the hate that gets directed at any Child of God. Seek first to understand is a kinder, gentler and more Christian approach is it not?

"It makes me saddened to see inflammatory, defammatory rhetoric of any kind in this community environment that encourages prejudice born of fear and others have mirrored this sentiment in other forums. "

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It seems to me that those who are gossiping about what goes on in STM Forum

are the true "unchristians." STM is a site where concepts, ideas and current events

are discussed and opinions are brought forward. If a group is mentioned, it is not

to condemn them for being God's Children. Sometimes it is necessary to wake

up and smell the injustices brewing in our politically-correct environment rather

than be surprised or caught off guard. Instead of criticizing, those who disagree

should post as you have. That is called "sharing."



Dec 13th 2013 new
(quote) Marianne-100218 said:

"It makes me saddened to see inflammatory, defammatory rhetoric of any kind in this community environment that encourages prejudice born of fear and others have mirrored this sentiment in other forums. "

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It seems to me that those who are gossiping about what goes on in STM Forum

are the true "unchristians." STM is a site where concepts, ideas and current events

are discussed and opinions are brought forward. If a group is mentioned, it is not

to condemn them for being God's Children. Sometimes it is necessary to wake

up and smell the injustices brewing in our politically-correct environment rather

than be surprised or caught off guard. Instead of criticizing, those who disagree

should post as you have. That is called "sharing."



A good response, Marianne. I will add that when we rely on external sources for information, we have no control over how it is written. While I personally have some issues with the tome of the blog post Damien linked to and certainly would have written it in a different style, I think the scale tipped significantly in favor of the information provided.

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Dec 13th 2013 new
(quote) Gabor-19025 said: The "Gay Manifesto" was absolutely filled with hatred towards Christians and it was very sad reading.

As Our Lady pointed out at Fatima the sins that lead many to the fires of Hell are the sins of the flesh. These include heterosexual and homosexual sins. What good can come for someone turning away from sin, perhaps because they are rebuked by a Christian? They may be spared the eternal fires and instead enjoy eternal peace with God the Father in Heaven. A well known local identity died suddenly this year. He was formerly a notorious gay advocate and practised what he preached. Through the grace of God he was led to the Catholic Church. To quote him in a newspaper article:

"There was no getting around the fact the New Testament said we were all meant to be chaste or monogamously married and I had reluctantly concluded that St Paul was right about homosexual sex."

I rejoice when someone seeks and finds the Truth (fortunately there are many) rather than being a victim of false charity. Saying "it's OK to live any way you want and God accepts it" is frankly not the way it works. There are people in Heaven as we speak because they were pulled up by someone and changed their lives.
The hippie manifesto was no better. I believe they wanted to exterminate a good 25% of the population. So frightening to think that some of those people are now in advisory roles to our government. Way back then they promised they would "get (our parent's) children". Very happy that we were able to hold them off for an additional generation.

Sure they lured me in. But when the time came I knew the difference between sin and pure evil. The latter of which is what I see now. Yet in some ways maybe they did get me. Now considering I may never procreate.

Is that any different than being exterminated? scratchchin

Good thing we have Joe Biden in there watching out for us. laughing
Dec 13th 2013 new
(quote) Eric-929127 said: The hippie manifesto was no better. I believe they wanted to exterminate a good 25% of the population. So frightening to think that some of those people are now in advisory roles to our government. Way back then they promised they would "get (our parent's) children". Very happy that we were able to hold them off for an additional generation.

Sure they lured me in. But when the time came I knew the difference between sin and pure evil. The latter of which is what I see now. Yet in some ways maybe they did get me. Now considering I may never procreate.

Is that any different than being exterminated?

Good thing we have Joe Biden in there watching out for us.
At least you can admit you were misled.
Dec 13th 2013 new
Thank you neighbor Elizabeth in Peru Indiana. Good to know that I can get my meaning across without going into detail. Maybe I am among like minds after all (though I know I have a long way to go). rose
Dec 13th 2013 new
(quote) Susan-857876 said: our job is to LOVE not hate and that includes opposing evil.
Now that is saying a lot with only a few words, Susan. biggrin hug
Dec 14th 2013 new
We are each entitled to our respective opinions however, it is useful to acknowledge that there is a difference between reasoned debate and inflammatory rhetoric. I choose to follow the lead of our Holy Father and ask, "Who am I to judge?" Nobody can force you to be Catholic or anything else. One must then ask, is it our job to try and enforce one's own sense of morality on anyone else? Is it not our job to be the best Christian and Catholic human example of a faith filled life we can be? Does that include reinforcing fear and hateful prejudices? All mean well I am sure but as one who spends the majority of my life with the sick, suffering and wounded, I therefore must study how people come to be afflicted in one way or another in order to help them and on the matter of gender preference - is not a choice anymore than it is a choice for a given person to be heterosexual. God creates us all and is it not our challenge to figure out how to understand and hopefully accept the variations in his Creation.

I make a plea for empathy for all of God's Children. One can discuss the struggles of the matter without resorting to giving space to the rantings of a pedophile organization. How can anyone in good conscience, consider inclusion of anything that relates to NAMBLA as appropriate for this site or any other- it is to spread a toxic poison. My opinion to be sure. I believe that we will accomplish much more through love and compassion than we will through expressions of fear and loathing of others. I will leave this topic now with one final question: Indeed, did not Jesus teach us to Love thy neighbor as thyself?
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