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Saint Thomas More was martyred during the Protestant Reformation for standing firm in the Faith and not recognizing the King of England as the Supreme Head of the Church.
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Dec 14th 2013 new
(quote) Peter-449116 said: If sexual preference is a choice as some of you believe, try making that choice for yourself. I'll wager none of us could wake up tomorrow morning and decide to live a gay lifestyle.
Would you also argue that murder is not a choice because a moral person would not decide to murder another person?

Dec 14th 2013 new
(quote) Peter-449116 said: Homosexuality has always been around and always will be. What to do with them? Shall we kill them all like the nazis almost succeeded in doing to the Jews? Shall we round them up and ship them off to Guantanamo bay? Banish them to bantustans behind walls like the Palestinians are forced to live in? If sexual preference is a choice as some of you believe, try making that choice for yourself. I'll wager none of us could wake up tomorrow morning and decide to live a gay lifestyle. Then why do some Catholics believe, as many Christian fundamentalists do, that it is a choice for them? As I mentioned before, I have discussed this in depth with a lesbian acquaintance who actually told me that I would be her type if she was straight, but it wasn't something she could decide. I explained to her the reasons behind my opposition to changing the definition of marriage, that I was not opposed to her happiness, benefits, what have you, but please call it something else. In a free society we should be able to be civil to each other even if we vehemently disagree. I don't like it either, but it is what it is.
Children will have to make the decision if they are in a particular environment to do so. A child that maybe believes they could be homosexual, which is not normal and unhealthy, would be more encouraged to pursue that belief if they lived in an area where it it legal.
I used to think that I might want to live in New York or Maryland someday, but now would feel demoralized to live in those areas and feel sorry for children that might be persuaded to become homosexual. If we don't think that it's a bad and immoral choice we may also be guilty of the sin for doing nothing.
Dec 14th 2013 new
(quote) Mary-1034540 said: I will leave this topic now with one final question: Indeed, did not Jesus teach us to Love thy neighbor as thyself?
I love myself, but there were times in my life that, if I could have, I would have given myself a good kick in the arse, to straighten me out. My life would have been easier.
Dec 14th 2013 new
(quote) Mary-1034540 said: I choose to follow the lead of our Holy Father and ask, "Who am I to judge?"
May I ask that you look at that quote in the proper context of the interview in which he made the statement?

I know that few have, and the Church itself did not clarify the statement; and that's part of the problem, and it does great harm among the faithful.

Francis, from what I read, was referring to a penitent at the confessional. In that sacred tribunal, where God judges the sins we confess to, and inspires the priest to advise the penitent on how to proceed to overcome those sins and failings, the priest cannot judge the level of contrition of heart. He has to trust in God, who judges hearts.

What the priest can do, in keeping with the Church as a spiritual hospital, is offer his services as confessor and adviser to the penitent to help him overcome his sin as he is willing. St. Philip Neri, for instance, offered his services as confessor and unmercenary healer by having those who struggled with sins of the flesh confess daily!

Imagine that service offered to someone struggling with our modern vices, such as pornography, adultery, roving eyes...and yes, homosexual acts. One can only wish our Pontiff was more explicit in these points on that plane back from Rio.
Dec 14th 2013 new
(quote) Peter-449116 said: Homosexuality has always been around and always will be. What to do with them? Shall we kill them all like the nazis almost succeeded in doing to the Jews? Shall we round them up and ship them off to Guantanamo bay? Banish them to bantustans behind walls like the Palestinians are forced to live in? If sexual preference is a choice as some of you believe, try making that choice for yourself. I'll wager none of us could wake up tomorrow morning and decide to live a gay lifestyle. Then why do some Catholics believe, as many Christian fundamentalists do, that it is a choice for them? As I mentioned before, I have discussed this in depth with a lesbian acquaintance who actually told me that I would be her type if she was straight, but it wasn't something she could decide. I explained to her the reasons behind my opposition to changing the definition of marriage, that I was not opposed to her happiness, benefits, what have you, but please call it something else. In a free society we should be able to be civil to each other even if we vehemently disagree. I don't like it either, but it is what it is.
What an outlandish argument, Peter. Drama queen much?

Ever lived in San Francisco? It's an act. Men like to act gay.
They choose to act gay. Growing up in the Bay Area and
having gay issues on the front page of the Chronicle every day,
had not really decided until actually living in the city as an adult
back in 2011.

It's phony and all an act. Gays may as well have joined a stamp
club to find some place to belong. It is such a confused city.

If a man were born that way, he would have been sauntering
down the milk aisle in 1st grade as he does down the wine
aisle today.

Peter is asking us to believe that this highly evolved six year old
realized at an early age, 'I'm different. But, since most all of society
does not agree with my lifestyle...I have to hide it. I will keep silent.
But, one day, I'll shout it out to the world!'
Dec 14th 2013 new
(quote) Thomas-958996 said: What an outlandish argument, Peter. Drama queen much?

Ever lived in San Francisco? It's an act. Men like to act gay.
They choose to act gay. Growing up in the Bay Area and
having gay issues on the front page of the Chronicle every day,
had not really decided until actually living in the city as an adult
back in 2011.

It's phony and all an act. Gays may as well have joined a stamp
club to find some place to belong. It is such a confused city.

If a man were born that way, he would have been sauntering
down the milk aisle in 1st grade as he does down the wine
aisle today.

Peter is asking us to believe that this highly evolved six year old
realized at an early age, 'I'm different. But, since most all of society
does not agree with my lifestyle...I have to hide it. I will keep silent.
But, one day, I'll shout it out to the world!'
Thomas, you didn't actually read my post that you're referring to, did you? Never post anything online while your angry, It never looks good. Men like to act gay? If that description fit anyone I know, I'd find different friends.
Dec 14th 2013 new
(quote) Gilbert-994253 said: Excuse me if I don't get this completely right, Gabor I think you would know, Didn't The Blessed Mother also say at Fatima that souls will fall like the snow fall because of sins of the flesh ?
This is what I have read Gilbert:

"More souls go to Hell because of sins of the flesh than for any other reason. "
"Certain fashions will be introduced that will offend Our Lord very much. " "Woe to
women lacking in modesty. "

"The Mother of God wants more virgin souls bound by the vow of chastity. "
Dec 14th 2013 new
'Shall we kill them all like the nazis almost succeeded in doing to the Jews? Shall we round them up and ship them off to Guantanamo bay? Banish them to bantustans behind walls like the Palestinians are forced to live in?'

There's your quote, Peter. Remember it, drama queen? I'd rather feel passionate
about an issue that is so basic and cut-and-dried right and wrong, good and evil than spewing uninformed bombastic drama that your putting out.

If you promote evil, what does that make you?
Dec 14th 2013 new
(quote) Gabor-19025 said: This is what I have read Gilbert:

"More souls go to Hell because of sins of the flesh than for any other reason. "
"Certain fashions will be introduced that will offend Our Lord very much. " "Woe to
women lacking in modesty. "

"The Mother of God wants more virgin souls bound by the vow of chastity. "
Thanks Gabor ! I was only into my second sip of coffee when I asked you that!
Dec 14th 2013 new
(quote) Thomas-958996 said: 'Shall we kill them all like the nazis almost succeeded in doing to the Jews? Shall we round them up and ship them off to Guantanamo bay? Banish them to bantustans behind walls like the Palestinians are forced to live in?'

There's your quote, Peter. Remember it, drama queen? I'd rather feel passionate
about an issue that is so basic and cut-and-dried right and wrong, good and evil than spewing uninformed bombastic drama that your putting out.

If you promote evil, what does that make you?
Nobody wants homosexuals to be denied human rights. Christians draw the line when "gay rights" are demanded. There is no need to:

1) accept public homosexual displays,
2) force people to provide a room to homosexuals or bake their "wedding" cake etc,
3) provide equal "marriage" and family benefit rights and homosexuals certainly have no right to have children.
4) force employers to employ "in your face" homosexuals etc etc

In a world where every form of freedom and "rights" are espoused non-stop it is strange that the only group that is not allowed any rights are Christians?

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