If it seems like I am denigrating the OF, as you imply, I am only pointing out the absurdity of solving the issues with the EF as it was said in the 60's by replacing it with a mass where it almost seems like "anything goes." For the one issue I've heard on this thread about the EF, I can relate three or four I've seen including one that made me almost walk out of mass that day.
Take a listen to Micheal Voris' commentary that Bernard linked to. Listen to the litany of issues mentioned in the OF.
I've endured a parish where hand-holding was mandatory, as well as the inevitable "squeeze," (if you haven't, consider yourself blessed).
Army of Eucharistic Ministers where two priests and deacons are available and can distribute? Check!
Protestant or broadway themed hymns from the big three music producers? Check!
Boring or even heretical homilies? Check! (I even heard a priest give one about Judas climbing up to heaven. The demoniacs in the Gospel being simply mentally ill because we know better than the inspired authors? Yep, that too)
Churches where our Eucharistic Lord is placed in the back, or in a closet? We got those in Dayton. I was in one church which looked very traditional, with old style stained glass. Problem was there was no tabernacle either in the front or the back. Where did they take Our Lord? Who knows?
Check on that.
Some of the bad liturgical abuses, such as people being brought into the sanctuary? Had that happen.
There was even a mass where the priest brought his dog along into the sanctuary!
Come to think of it, I've just shown how banal and man-made the OF is (as Benedict XVI and Cardinal Burke have said) just from my own experiences.
Your mileage may vary, Paul, but surely you've seen your share of it too.
I'm glad your glad. I would suggest you do the same ad then stop saying that Summorum says things it does not say or imply.
"If it seems like I am denigrating the OF, as you imply, I am only pointing out the absurdity of solving the issues with the EF as it was said in the 60's by replacing it with a mass where it almost seems like "anything goes." For the one issue I've heard on this thread about the EF, I can relate three or four I've seen including one that made me almost walk out of mass that day."
I have never said that there have not been abuses of the liturgy. In fact, in other treads I have gone out of my way to indicate that over the years I have seen the TLM abused as well as the Novus. I even incurred the wrath of other self styled traditionalist by pointing out that since no SSPX Priest or Bishop with some minor exceptions who celebrate the Mass constitutes a gross abuse of that form of the Mass since they do not have the faculties necessary from the local Ordinaries to celebrate the Mass in any form.
The continual harping on the well documented abuses of the Novus is misplaced because the self-styled traditionalists keep insisting that it is an inherent flaw in the Novus itself rather than placing the blame exactly where it belongs on those who celebrate the Mass, in any form, abusively.
I won't waste my time listening to Voris, I listenened to some of his drivel and laughed at his silliness and constant complaining and harping on issues of no real merit.
Your list of abuses in no way support your constant insistence that somehow this is inherent in the Novus itself and not the fault of thoise who committed the abuses.
And again you try to justify your stance by appeal to both Cardinal Burke and Pope Bendict by implying that it citing the abuses they too are saying it is inherent in the Novus when in fact they laid the balme exactly where it belongs, on those perpetrating the abuses.
By the way, I will leave to you to find the instances where the Roman Missal commands that lay people be brought into the sanctuary. There are severaland when yiou find them I would love to see you futilely try to call them abuses. They are in both the Novus and the TLM.
Yes, I have seen my share in both forms of the Mass.