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Saint Thomas More was martyred during the Protestant Reformation for standing firm in the Faith and not recognizing the King of England as the Supreme Head of the Church.
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Jan 6th 2014 new
(quote) Paul-866591 said: Sorry, you reached the wrong conclusion. I am a fiscal conservative but a social liberal. Not whacky left wing but liberal in the classic sense.

Social justice is not socialism.
Social Justice is Socialism. page 232 Commonwealth for Common Good by the Aust Council of Bishops Sydney 1995,
You clearly dont know the differnce. MacCarthy is dead and so are the reds under your bed.
Liberal= political veiw, conservative= politicx Socialism = cultural norms and mores
Jan 6th 2014 new
(quote) Peter-449116 said: If some of the world descends into chaos if we pull out of those countries, so be it. Our presence hasn't helped much anyway. Those countries can step up and protect themselves. US taxpayers support over 234 golf courses on military bases here and abroad. Plenty of fat to be cut at the Pentagon without jeopardizing the security of our country. Perhaps it's time we start listening to a man named Francis instead of the war profiteers.
Both you and Bernie ar right, but ask yourself who asked you to be the worlds policeman?
Asia lasted 7500 years before you went into Iraq, Cnia the same, Europe has been around since 110BC, Alexander the Great was ruling 3500 years before the first vickings bumped into North America.
If the Soviet Union hadnt made a play for Asia would you have cared? You never came to help Malaya you left us to take care of Malaya and Indonesia, not much done over South Africa or Uganda you gave them weapons, Afghanistan was armed by the US and that worked well.
I think you are right. Let each country decide how they want to be governed and leave them to it.
Westerners in general just stuff it up let it be, let them be.
As for foriegn bases, thats a hornets nest I wouldnt poke a stick at. Your mpneys good but you troops can be left at home. We have 5 US base in New Zealand though we are suposed to only know about 1 but the fact you sheild your service men from local law is not a good way to make friends. Untill the Dragon awoke Japan was demanding the 35000 US troops in Okinawa to go, the Philippines kicked you out as soon as Marcos was gone, the Panimanians took back the cannal as soon as they could get you out,
THough its not the Army Navy Air Force that dishonnours you but the private armies of the CIA and Blackwater that you need to be careful of who controls them? Do you even know how many there are? or what they are doing in you name?
As part of the Pinnicale and 5 eyes systems we give you access to our bases that dont exist, or you take access would be more appropriate but we have no real control over what is done at Mt ST John, Whaihope, Christchurch or Tiamaingawhai, and our spooks say even less
Jan 6th 2014 new
Holy Father is not a socialist. He is very sociable! pope
Jan 6th 2014 new
(quote) Mark-642218 said: Brilliant! You're a genius. Says it all.
No Marx defined Marxism. THe line is where the people want it to be. Marcos was a Social Conservative anti communist, Mao was Social Communist, where Lenin was a Boleshevick, Stalin was Totalitarian Socialist, all claimed they had the people at heart but none equated resourse to need and all used a huge secret police to ensure the weALTH STAYED WHERE IT WAS MOST NEEDED IN their bank accounts.
When it come to politics no matter what you say you are, you will make sure the poor stay poor and you and your friends stay in power and rich. If you keep the army happy you can be the next Kim, and he is supposed to be the last pure communist!!!!!!!!!!
I agree morals and ethics of social cohession are the domain of the Church and so the Church can chastise us over greed and selfish hoarding Afterall it is one of the 7 Deadly Sins
Jan 6th 2014 new
He is a social SOCIALIST as was CHRIST as is the Bible the first Socialist Manefesto.
Jan 6th 2014 new
Y'all please don't start back up until I grab some popcorn!
Jan 6th 2014 new
(quote) Melissa-1047376 said: Y'all please don't start back up until I grab some popcorn!
Get a couple popcorns, this can go on and on, getting nowhere sometimes ! biggrin laughing
Jan 6th 2014 new
(quote) Cindy-534370 said: Get a couple popcorns, this can go on and on, getting nowhere sometimes !
While everyone loves a good show with some popcorn, including me, I would like to remind all folks to please stick to the facts, support their arguments with sources and avoid personal attacks. Using labels is also a slippery slope because if they are undefined, they mean different things to different people and misunderstandings (often overheated ones) tend to occur. Please keep in mind forum rules as you discuss. Thank you.
Jan 6th 2014 new
(quote) Angela-374523 said: While everyone loves a good show with some popcorn, including me, I would like to remind all folks to please stick to the facts, support their arguments with sources and avoid personal attacks. Using labels is also a slippery slope because if they are undefined, they mean different things to different people and misunderstandings (often overheated ones) tend to occur. Please keep in mind forum rules as you discuss. Thank you.
I don't think I said anything to anyone in particular, and this should not be directed to me.
I haven't labeled anyone. Where are the labels? Where are the personal attacks? I am not in any argument. Where is the arguement?
Jan 6th 2014 new
(quote) Cindy-534370 said: I don't think I said anything to anyone in particular, and this should not be directed to me.
I haven't labeled anyone. Where are the labels? Where are the personal attacks? I am not in any argument. Where is the arguement?

Sorry, Cindy, I should have made it more clear in my post that I was not referring to you or anyone else personally. Your post was the last one in the thread prior to mine, so I replied to the end of the thread, and not to your post directly. My apologies for the confusion.

The labels I was referring to involve political labels that tend to get tossed around the forums without definitions, so they whip up people's emotions as opposed to advancing a discussion on a topic.

Please do not be offended as I was not referring to any individual in particular.

As an additional reminder, perhaps to myself as well, the "reply and quote" feature is preferable when replying to an individual's post. A general "reply" can be to a particular post or just to the thread in general. If the reply is to the thread in general, it is preferable to indicate your reply is a general one and not a specific one.

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