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Jan 6th 2014 new
(quote) Angela-374523 said:

Sorry, Cindy, I should have made it more clear in my post that I was not referring to you or anyone else personally. Your post was the last one in the thread prior to mine, so I replied to the end of the thread, and not to your post directly. My apologies for the confusion.

The labels I was referring to involve political labels that tend to get tossed around the forums without definitions, so they whip up people's emotions as opposed to advancing a discussion on a topic.

Please do not be offended as I was not referring to any individual in particular.

As an additional reminder, perhaps to myself as well, the "reply and quote" feature is preferable when replying to an individual's post. A general "reply" can be to a particular post or just to the thread in general. If the reply is to the thread in general, it is preferable to indicate your reply is a general one and not a specific one.

Thank you for your gracious apologies and explanations. My post was a general post referring to the title of the thread. I respect the Pope very much and I think of him being a holy father, a good shepherd, So my general statement is I don't think he is a socialist but he is very sociable. He always reaching out to all the people,trying very hard to connect and make peace in this world.

But one thing has me puzzled, that I would need to say in my post- this is a general post, or not a specific one. This I never heard of until now. So, knowing how I am, for me to keep writing this on each post it would be too much of a hassle. It is rather degrading. For isn't each post a specific posts? I think that all CM'ers are intelligent enough to read a single post, right?
We each have the freedom of speech, in general opinions, each has their thoughts and feelings. We each have different degrees of knowledge and wisdom.
After this post, I quit. So, I will not need to worry about any post I would be writing. This should be pleasing to hear.

I do appreciate your apology. Best of luck in your endeavers.

May God Bless and keep us.
Cindy
Jan 6th 2014 new
(quote) Patrick-624504 said: Both you and Bernie ar right, but ask yourself who asked you to be the worlds policeman?
Asia lasted 7500 years before you went into Iraq, Cnia the same, Europe has been around since 110BC, Alexander the Great was ruling 3500 years before the first vickings bumped into North America.
If the Soviet Union hadnt made a play for Asia would you have cared? You never came to help Malaya you left us to take care of Malaya and Indonesia, not much done over South Africa or Uganda you gave them weapons, Afghanistan was armed by the US and that worked well.
I think you are right. Let each country decide how they want to be governed and leave them to it.
Westerners in general just stuff it up let it be, let them be.
As for foriegn bases, thats a hornets nest I wouldnt poke a stick at. Your mpneys good but you troops can be left at home. We have 5 US base in New Zealand though we are suposed to only know about 1 but the fact you sheild your service men from local law is not a good way to make friends. Untill the Dragon awoke Japan was demanding the 35000 US troops in Okinawa to go, the Philippines kicked you out as soon as Marcos was gone, the Panimanians took back the cannal as soon as they could get you out,
THough its not the Army Navy Air Force that dishonnours you but the private armies of the CIA and Blackwater that you need to be careful of who controls them? Do you even know how many there are? or what they are doing in you name?
As part of the Pinnicale and 5 eyes systems we give you access to our bases that dont exist, or you take access would be more appropriate but we have no real control over what is done at Mt ST John, Whaihope, Christchurch or Tiamaingawhai, and our spooks say even less
Patrick, my father passed away about 33 years ago and had a high level position in the intelligence community. We kids only found out at his funeral but my mom knew of course. At the time I was going through the security clearance process to work for the CIA, and I mentioned it to him. He hit the ceiling and told me they were the most paranoid bunch of back-stabbers he'd ever seen, and asked me to reconsider. I remember eating in their cafeteria with hundreds of people. Very little conversation and not one person cracked a smile. The cafeteria at the place I retired from a few years ago was always filled with lively conversation and laughter. I'm glad I took my dad's advice.
Jan 6th 2014 new
Pope Francis has stated several times, in interviews, when asked who are you? He has responded "I am a sinner" - if you think about it, that is all we are -also children of God who loves us so much he does not have to label us.
Jan 6th 2014 new
(quote) Patrick-624504 said: I GAVE YOU THE EVIDENCE IF YOU BOTHERED TO READ IT. HE SAID IT HIMSELF IN A BBC INTERVIEW AND LATER TO CNN IN A INTERVIEW/DOCUMENTARY ON THE "NEW" CHURCH.

The opposite of a socialist is coservative and the worst conservative is a fascist, Its called sarcasim, to low for even you to get Im sorry.

If the Pope is not a socialist what is he? A democrat, republican? social democrat, national socialist, liberal conservative? Well?????????

You have to divorce Socialism from the extremes of fascism and communism THEY ARE NOT THE SAME. Man is a SOCIAL animal, to share and protect is a basic primative drive hotwired into your amegdula and brain stem.

Greed ie NOT GOOD and it is not EVERY MAN FOR THEMSELVES, even your Bill of Rights acknowledges that, unless you were Indian, black, non caucasion or WASP but otherwise all are equal and your arms are outstretche for the huddled masses
UNLESS you are muslim, latinos from across the desert, or the carribean.
What I am saying to you is the Pope is a Socialist because he orders us all to open wide our arms, hearts and wallets to give the hungary food, the naked clothes, the sick hospital care, the homeless shelter, to defend the weak and standoff the strong from taking it all, to share with those who have nothing.
THATS SOCIALISM. THATS CHRISTIAN TEACHING, THATS WHY THE POPE IS A SOCIALIST. And to the other fellow about being a Jesuit making the Pope a socialist one of the key orders of The Society of Jesus is charity and giving SOCIALISM.
The Pope talks about the moral imperitive that we are all required to help those who have less than we do. He might even say that doing so through the Government is not a bad idea.

But obeying a moral dictate does not qualify as "socialism" a proven bankrupt and bankrupting economic system that only dewy eyed, bleeding heart utopians believe.

Oh, historically, Fascism arose out of Socialism., not conservatism or even unbridled capitalism.

It is interesting that the most fascist group here in America are the wacky, extreme Liberals like Obama and even more interesting they have managed to brain wash, not just their fellow Americans, that fascism and conservative are synonymous..
Jan 6th 2014 new
(quote) Jerry-74383 said: Sorry, Paul, but your conclusion doesn't follow from the very limited observations provided here. There is nothing a computer operator can do to make the year appear as "2000" when the program assumes all years begin with "19" -- an assumption that was very common in mainframe applications.

I have worked in IT since 1979. I saw the problems -- and there were many very real problems that were either fixed or eliminated (by replacing the offending system). This isn't to say there wasn't a lot of nonsense floating around as well -- there certainly was -- but the main reason there were no major SNAFUs on 1/1/2000 was the large effort directed at providing just that outcome.

Hi Jerry et alia,

Jerry, in addition to what you wrote, file dates were, as I think I pointed out, in the mmddyy format. Files had this date stamp format because of the space constraints of early computers. One might not think so, but it takes a great deal of work to fix the format to mmddyyyy format, recompile the programs, and relink them.

I started work in IT in 1981. I've done it all, and I know what I am talking about. The NSA, for example, spent a great deal of time, care, and money to make certain their computers were ready when the Third Millennium rolled over. James Bamford covers this in his excellent book Body of Secrets.

Jim ☺
Jan 6th 2014 new
(quote) James-17080 said: Hi Jerry et alia,

Jerry, in addition to what you wrote, file dates were, as I think I pointed out, in the mmddyy format. Files had this date stamp format because of the space constraints of early computers. One might not think so, but it takes a great deal of work to fix the format to mmddyyyy format, recompile the programs, and relink them.

I started work in IT in 1981. I've done it all, and I know what I am talking about. The NSA, for example, spent a great deal of time, care, and money to make certain their computers were ready when the Third Millennium rolled over. James Bamford covers this in his excellent book Body of Secrets.

Jim ☺
Then there is the yet-to-come Y2K38 date rollover problem on January 19, 2038...

Jan 6th 2014 new
(quote) James-17080 said: Hi Jerry et alia,

Jerry, in addition to what you wrote, file dates were, as I think I pointed out, in the mmddyy format. Files had this date stamp format because of the space constraints of early computers. One might not think so, but it takes a great deal of work to fix the format to mmddyyyy format, recompile the programs, and relink them.

I started work in IT in 1981. I've done it all, and I know what I am talking about. The NSA, for example, spent a great deal of time, care, and money to make certain their computers were ready when the Third Millennium rolled over. James Bamford covers this in his excellent book Body of Secrets.

Jim ☺
If the date format were mm/dd/yy, there was no problem. Because at midnight on January 1, 2000 the date would register as 01/01/00 which is an absolutely correct rendering of the date. If the computer was then programed to print out the date in full, then the program would have required a look-up table to print out the date. so the only change required would have been to correct the look up table. Billions of dollars not required.
Jan 6th 2014 new
(quote) Jerry-74383 said: Then there is the yet-to-come Y2K38 date rollover problem on January 19, 2038...

So what will this problem be? Are you saying that at midnight on January 19, 2038 everything is going to convert back to 1/1/00.

If anything similar to that is supposed to occur, then all the wasted billions to correct the Y2K problem were truly double wasted as the programmers learned absolutely nothing from that debacle.
Jan 6th 2014 new
(quote) Patrick-624504 said: I GAVE YOU THE EVIDENCE IF YOU BOTHERED TO READ IT. HE SAID IT HIMSELF IN A BBC INTERVIEW AND LATER TO CNN IN A INTERVIEW/DOCUMENTARY ON THE "NEW" CHURCH.

The opposite of a socialist is coservative and the worst conservative is a fascist, Its called sarcasim, to low for even you to get Im sorry.

If the Pope is not a socialist what is he? A democrat, republican? social democrat, national socialist, liberal conservative? Well?????????

You have to divorce Socialism from the extremes of fascism and communism THEY ARE NOT THE SAME. Man is a SOCIAL animal, to share and protect is a basic primative drive hotwired into your amegdula and brain stem.

Greed ie NOT GOOD and it is not EVERY MAN FOR THEMSELVES, even your Bill of Rights acknowledges that, unless you were Indian, black, non caucasion or WASP but otherwise all are equal and your arms are outstretche for the huddled masses
UNLESS you are muslim, latinos from across the desert, or the carribean.
What I am saying to you is the Pope is a Socialist because he orders us all to open wide our arms, hearts and wallets to give the hungary food, the naked clothes, the sick hospital care, the homeless shelter, to defend the weak and standoff the strong from taking it all, to share with those who have nothing.
THATS SOCIALISM. THATS CHRISTIAN TEACHING, THATS WHY THE POPE IS A SOCIALIST. And to the other fellow about being a Jesuit making the Pope a socialist one of the key orders of The Society of Jesus is charity and giving SOCIALISM.
Pope Francis defies categorization, and is quite simply the personification of what a good Christian Catholic should be. We're wasting our time trying to define his politics, and it is irrelevant anyway. He is above petty bickering. Democracy and capitalism at their very best are flawed, and people manipulate the system for their own selfish gain.

The Holy Father is merely pointing that out.
Jan 6th 2014 new
(quote) Cindy-534370 said: Thank you for your gracious apologies and explanations. My post was a general post referring to the title of the thread. I respect the Pope very much and I think of him being a holy father, a good shepherd, So my general statement is I don't think he is a socialist but he is very sociable. He always reaching out to all the people,trying very hard to connect and make peace in this world.

But one thing has me puzzled, that I would need to say in my post- this is a general post, or not a specific one. This I never heard of until now. So, knowing how I am, for me to keep writing this on each post it would be too much of a hassle. It is rather degrading. For isn't each post a specific posts? I think that all CM'ers are intelligent enough to read a single post, right?
We each have the freedom of speech, in general opinions, each has their thoughts and feelings. We each have different degrees of knowledge and wisdom.
After this post, I quit. So, I will not need to worry about any post I would be writing. This should be pleasing to hear.

I do appreciate your apology. Best of luck in your endeavers.

May God Bless and keep us.
Cindy

Normally, I would let this be.

However, anyone who posts over time realizes that sometimes they post in reaction to a particular post, sometimes they post in general to the thread, and sometimes our intentions may be mixed and we are not clear enough and this leads to misunderstandings.

I was not impugning or criticizing anyone's intelligence on here. If I had been more clear when I posted the first time in this thread, it would have avoided a misunderstanding. That has nothing to do with anyone's level of intelligence, or their role. If we cannot apologize for our role in creating a potential misunderstanding, then what have things come to? Clarifying intent in a post to avoid misunderstandings is not a new concept. It is a part of active listening in a conversation. And in this circumstance, I was the one clarifying that my original post was not specific to yours, so I fail to see why the concept of clarification should be offensive to anyone.

To close, thank you for accepting the apology.

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