> dissenters are all still excommunicated, whatever their reasons for dissenting
While factually incorrect (many dissenters are not excommunicated, including those who are otherwise censured for their offense(s), even when excommunication is an available punishment), the forum policy you cite does not apply to one stating the ecclesiastical penalty for a certain offense.
I don't agree that I was factually incorrect. Perhaps a little more clarity in my language was in order since the category of the dissent which Jim and I were discussing was a dissent from "faith and morals," such as in a disbelief in the Real Presence of the Eucharist, which would entail automatic excommunication. Thus I didn't think any clarification was necessary.
The term "excommunication" has two meanings. One is an ecclesiastical penalty formally administered by the Church to public and obstinate sinners, and the other meaning is a metaphysical one. Being excommunicated is often limited to an ontological state of being (for many grave sins go unreported and thus are known only by God and the sinner) inasmuch as a person ceases by his actions to be a nonviolent person when he beats his wife. In like manner one ceases to be in communion with the Church when one's souls is blotted by the stain of grave sin, as long as that grave sin fulfills the three criteria of culpability designated by the Catechism.
Secondly, Jerry, I respect your confusion with respect to my appearing to place Jim in the category of disbelievers in the Real Presence, however, Jim has stated of his own admission in other contexts that he dissents from the magisterium in faith and morals, particularly the Church's moral teaching artificial contraception, thus making him a "dissenter." I wasn't questioning his catholicity. When I phrased the sentence "Dissenting Catholics like yourself..." I was referring only to another group of dissenters, and noting their similarity to Jim, by virtue of their all dissenting from the Church, albeit on different teachings.
So, respectfully, all three of you were mistaken.